Let’s take this one step at a time. Before worrying about Charlie, let’s worry about the team. What’s it going to take to produce in the red zone? What’s it going to take to win the next two games?
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All Comments From This Episode (25 total)
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I know this is a guy writing a blog, but I had heard this before…..and I know you guys know this.
Something to think about when thinking about Notre Dame as Meyer’s “Dream Job.”
1) Tebow is gone.
2) His kid is now older(read the link)
3) He is inheriting some talent.
I could speculate and list more reasons, but I won’t because I don’t know either, but I had heard that he made his decision based on what was more important for his family in 2004.
Also…keep in mind that the Bears are going to fire Ron Turner, and they will have an OC opening as well. Angelo will probably screw that up too……
By the way, my mom is from Cleveland and went to Mags. My cousins all live there. I wouldn’t call myself a huge fan, but the first Browns game I ever watched was “The Drive.” Rich f-cking Karlis right??
Fuck Michigan. Fuck Harbaugh.
Rob on November 18th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Personally, I’m not ruling him out at all. But at the same time, that article was written last year…a lot can change in a year.
And yeah, The Drive, The Fumble…don’t get us started on the Browns. If we did a show on Cleveland sports rather than Notre Dame, it would be beyond depressing. Struggling through an Irish November is hard enough.
Don’t forget the Floyd reversal in the MSU game … what are they looking at?
Tom N on November 18th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Sprout, best of luck on the marathon. Awesome. I can still remember my first, the Chicago marathon in 1982 – the excitement at the start, and waning extiement around mile 12, the blisters around mile 18, my legs turning to jello at mile 21, getting passed by old ladies and young girls at mile 24 … oh, and the ice cold beer after we finished (and passing out on the South Shore heading back to ND afterwards).
Go Sprout! Beat Philly!
Mark G on November 18th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
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I just found this website and it’s home…i’m 26 and have never attended ND outside of my imagination but have road tripped for games slept in my car in a south bend november and loved every second of it….i have brainwashed my wife so she knows the 3rd string qb’s name and wears her jersey religiously on saturdays and understands my love for this university….love the site guys..
as far as this team goes charlie has to go they are playing uninspired football and dont seem motivated and are wasting the talents of jimmy, golden and floyd….i believe if we pursue Urban hard i think he’ll come I dont think their is a 3rd offer to come to ND so if this really is his dream job it’s now or never…if not i like the hiring of brian kelley…smaller recruiting area and less talent and gets more out of his players…again love the site guys and it’s on my favs now….
We are the FIGHTING IRISH
JJ on November 18th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Charlie had his 5 and failed.
Willingham should have had his 5 to balk at the racism nonsense, but still failed.
The curse of George O’Leary.
Had the admins took the stuff out ouf their shirts and played up the “My son, you are forgiven for your transgreassion” (it would have made a killer presser), George would have had his 5, maybe more, and the coaching hunt wouldn’be the disaster it is now.
Also, the admins have to realize that most blue chip defensive studs are not advanced placement students.
rjs on November 18th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
@Rob – I like your thinking on Meyer. When I put some of those same thoughts up last week, I was called insane and delusional by some A@#$%Lawyer. I’m tellin ya they’re prob already talking. Meyer’s family wanted Fla. 5 yrs ago, but can you imagine living 5 yrs in Gainesville? You’re there in July and August, its hotter than hell, nothing to do,etc. They’re all older now and maybe ready for a change. It would not surprise me in the least. I think Meyer could come in, simplify things, make football fun again and excel. UF runs 6 plays essentially, they don’t use a 6″ thick playbook and it seems to be working out ok. Further, Meyer has all those contacts in Fla now and maybe that pipeline might start leading to ND. Wishful thinking, I know, but it makes a lot of sense to me.
JerseyShoreNDFan on November 18th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Scenario: ND hires Urban Meyer. Clausen, Tate stay.
Clausen will be like Chris Leak, Dayne Crist utilized like Tebow his freshman year. Tate will be used like Percy Harvin when he was at UF. Urban will use Clausen and Crist like he used Leak and Tebow (obviously clausen a better thrower than leak, and tebow a better run than Crist), but that got him a national title his second year at Florida.
GUARANTEED Heisman for Tate, and a BCS game for the Irish.
The most amount of touches Tate has gotten on Offense this year is 14. The best player on your team should get the ball 20-25 times a game no matter what the position. Tate should get 10 catches and 10 rushes a game. Percy Harvin got the ball via running and receiving throughout his entire career. Urban would utilize Tate perfectly.
Mike on November 18th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Mike – I thought you were all Paul Johnson, all the time now?
Mark – thanks for the well wishes. Passing out on the South Shore certainly does not sound like the ideal post race activity. Give me a beer and a bed.
Jersey – Would you compare the living experience of Gainesville, July-August on par with South Bend, November-March? Just saying.
I want Meyer more than anything…go back to our first show this season for my thoughts on that. But a lot of the speculation around him seems like a stretch.
In my opinion the most important intangible that Meyer would bring back(i’m confident Kelly could too)to Notre Dame is that physical toughness that we saw when Holtz was here.
I think part of it is mentality, but this is the second straight year we are fading down the stretch. The offensive line has lost that bounce in their step that we saw the first 4-5 games. I don’t know if players are lazy in the weight room during the season, or if the coaches tone down on the hitting(I believe most NFL teams have limited hitting in practice). Whatever is going on is clearly having an effect on the teams performance come november.
Something tells me that Texas, USC, and FLA go full contact 2-3 days a week with the #1’s scrimmaging againt each other. I’m only speculating here and I truly don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
I’m scared of Stanford because they are a physical hard-nosed team that is fundamentally sound. Navy out-hustled us and out-hit us.
we need that joe moore element on this team. Eat nails and sh-t rails. The kind of guy that gets you to believe you can take on anyone no matter how talented your opponent is.
Rob on November 19th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Why would Urban ever leave? I understand all the points that have been brought up by Rob, JerseyShore and fans alike but to me it just makes no sense. The guy is the best coach in college football, coaching the best team in college football. He’s succeeded without Tebow before and he’ll do it again. Great players don’t make great coaches but great coaches find great players. Tebow will leave and Urban will continue to bring the best of the best to FLA because of what has been built there.
The people who are holding out hope for Urban to swoop to the rescue and our pinning those hopes to mysterious flights to Gainesville need to take deep breaths. There is a better chance of Charlie convincing Swarbrick not to fire him than there is of Swarbrick convincing Urban to leave Florida. Unfortunately I just think that is the reality of the situation.
I agree with JJ, you make him a second offer because he is the best coach in college football. If he refuses so be it. But you can’t come crawling back to him in another 5 years with a third offer, you may as well give him the whole University at that point.
Rob I agree with your concern about the stamina and physical toughness of the team. I feel like there is definitely the possibility of something going on internally that has these players to hit a wall. However, I think you could also make an argument that they have a hard time rebounding after tough, hard fought loses. UNC last year, USC this year. In both instances, you saw an ND team riding high into the game and come out swinging only to lose a close game and that I think is really emotionally draining on kids. You have to then put some of the physical toughness and mental toughness of the team on the coaching staff. I think it’s another knock on Charlie Weis’ ability to get this team focused and motivated week in and week out.
Not sure that all this infatuation with Brian Kelley is warranted. The Big East is weak, and they have yet to face Pitt. Additionally, they seem to be winning by outscoring opponents. His defense doesn’t give me any feeling that he can come in and improve ours. ND doens’t need the most recent flavor of the month. We need an experienced proven winner that understands that no matter how many skilled position players you have, the game is still going to be won / lost on both sides of the line of scrimmage. Had Charlie adrressed these areas appropriately during his 5 years, the team would have had much more success and his deficiencies in play calling, time management and the art of field position would have been much less detrimental. Holtz was the last coach we had that understood this. Plays were alway made in the trenches. 3rd and 2 meant a first down 95% of the time with Holtz’s teams. I’m all for Meyer or even Stoops, who both seem to understand this. Kelley doesn’t seem to fit this mold. If not a top existing coach, I’d rather take a chance on a guy like Charlie Strong, who has experience at ND, is a monster of a devensive coach, and a top-notch recruiter.
Gene Patton on November 19th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Paul Jonson isn’t realistic, but would be awesome. Urban Meyer is more realistic than PJ
Mike on November 19th, 2009 at 10:55 am
@Sprout – I agree the whole Urban thing seems like a stretch until you remember, he wants to coach at ND in his lifetime. He’s been in SB in the winter before and that’s not keeping him from calling this his dream job……now if we could only convince that wife and those kids of his we’d be in good shape. UCONN will be tough this week, they’re still playing for their fallen teammate and Frazier may have somewhat of an axe to grind here. I heard Tate saying he’s playing to get better each week. If the team adopts that attitude and gets out of the tank over Navy and Pitt, then we have a fighting chance. Those are pretty big “ifs” however. I think we are looking down the barrel of a 6-6 season unfortunately.
JerseyShoreNDFan on November 19th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Coaches are coaches and players are players. Good players make good coaches. In all the sports I played I never thought I became good because of the coach. I became good because I played and played and played. Not practiced, practiced, practiced. There’s nothing about practice that makes a great player. Ara understood that you put your best players on the field and put them in any position because they can excel whereever you put them.
Charlie has had like 5 QB’s and really only played one. We’ll never know how good others would have been because he made sure they would fail. Golden did not just learn how to play, he would have been like this in his freshman year. Why wait till this year to realy play him.
Brian Kelly has been successful every place he’s been and under severe handicaps. Central Michigan before he got there was dead. He revived them quickly and now they are probably the best in the MAC. Meyer and Stoops are no better Brian Kelly. They are in places where they can recruit talent easily whether its Texas or Florida. In Michigan we know what kind of coach he is, let the rest of the ND fans get a taste of class and victories.
Maybe he can do what Charlie can’t and that is win with talented players. Maybe he can more easily let them play to their abilities and win. He has shown he can, so why doubt his abilities to coach and put together a team.
Ron on November 19th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Thanks for telling everyone to put the pitch forks & ropes away for now….at least. I’m sure that Weis knows how he would do things differently now.
Great show guys.
Cheers
Noel St.Pierre on November 19th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Ron, I’ll buy your last two paragraphs about Kelly (even though I’m not sold on him), but your first two paragraphs were pure hot garbage.
Go back and read what you wrote. Perhaps some of what you said didn’t translate, because you can’t honestly belive that “nothing about practice makes a great player.” I was a three sport athlete in high school. I can tell you that while I was not overly athletic I became a pretty good player in all three sports because of hard-work, hours upon hours of practice, and great coaching.
As far as playing 5 different QB’s I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. You put the personnel on the field that give you the best chance to win. Obviously from what the coaching staff saw, they thought that person was Clausen. After the season Jimmy has had, are you really going back and doubting this?
Also with respect, Golden Tate did just learn to play. If you go back and look at Golden last year, he was pretty much relying on his athletic skill alone. He was extremely raw. It’s been fairly well documented how much he worked on every part of his game this offseason route running, run blocking, etc. etc.
I don’t understand the point that you’re trying to make.
got hosed into working this weekend…but have informed management that i will not be productive from 2:30 till the final whistle….
really hoping for the W today for all the seniors and for mr sam young not to commit any 1st year penalties…McCarthy gets an INT as well i think….GO IRISH
dear mr richrod enjoy your last game at UM i hate you and everything about your team
JJ on November 21st, 2009 at 8:33 am
How appropriate that Zak Frasier should be the QB of the team that put the nail in Charlie Weis’ coffin. The fourth string QB who was embarrassed by Charlie, along with Jones and Sharpley, so that Jimmie Clausen could start.
Even with Claussen Charlie cant’t win. Even with all the offensive talent Charlie and Clausen can’t win. I’m sure Charlie promissed Clausen the NFL. However, Jimmie like his brothers just cannot quite win.
People are writing about what a great guy Weis is and how he loves ND etc. etc. He is paid $4,000,000 to coach a football team. Someone obviously forgot to tell him that his job included winning those football games. That he is incompetent at what he is doing is obvious and the 3 – 9 season should have been an indication of that had we been using the smarts that ND people think they pssess. How were they so fooled by this carnival huckster.
It’s getting to the point that I say keep him so that we can all sing the Navy alma matter after a Navy win and congratuate those teams that defeat us in their locker room and sing cumba ya with them. He can’t be viewed as being dumb because he’s rich and we’re the fools who were taken in.
Cumba ya!!
Ron on November 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Ron are you Evan Sharpley’s Dad or something?
Jones, Sharpley, and Frazer are average talents – chastising Weis for not playing them is moronic. Especially since the Irish problems have not stemmed from the Quarterback position.
Jimmy Clausen is a top 10 NFL talent. None of those other kids are even in the discussion.
Hey K-mart. No I’m not Evan’s dad but I know something of him from people I know. Was a top QB out of Michigan the year he graduated from Marshall High. Highly thought of and so were Jones and Frazier. How much playing time did they get? None!or hardly ever, but Jimmie did. I can’t believe though that looked worse than Claussen in his first two years.
Now lets talk about Jimmie. When he started in 2007 in the glorious 3 -9 season, he was awful. Could be the supporting cast, but he like Poulos was annointed. Last year he did not look that good either until the Hawaii game. However, Hawaii was not a very good team.
This year he’s looking much better, but he has 3 all american receivers who make him look better than he is. Most of the time the receiver have to jump to get the ball or come back for it. They also get a lot of yardage after the catch. So if the NFL wants to spend a bunch of money on someone who will not make it then so be it. I don’t watch it anyway. Professional sports is too boring.
I watched Jimmie closely during the Michigan State game in 2008 and you know he throws the ball up without looking where it was going. Just threw it up high so his receivers could go get it. Without that strong supporting cast Jimmie has had lackluster games and losses on top of that. I personally think a lot of ex-players who left the program are laughing as they should because Charlie deserves everything thats falling his way. Can you imagine that in a 3-9 season he had a depth chart. Pay me $4,000,000(thats a four with 6 zeros) and I’ll show you what hard work is. Unfortunately, I’d have something to show for it.
K-mart I think Jimmie lost as many games as he won. Not someone I would pay countless dollars for. However, if the economy keeps tanking, we may not have to worry about professional sports and high paid athlets much longer. That is when his ND degree will come in handy.
Ron on November 23rd, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I was just reading comments from ND fans about how the hiring of Fitzgerald, Harbaugh, Patterson and Kelly make them nervous. These all appear to be competent coaches who have good track records and are good at spotting talent and coaching players up. Now Kelly is from that weak Big East Conference, you know the one ND can’t beat. I think any of the four would be acceptable and would be good fits at ND with a question mark around Harbaugh.
It’s hard to believe that TY without doing much has a better record than Weis and why was Davies fired anyway. His record would have been about the same. We could have saved ourselves a lot of bad publicity. I will miss the two Charlies like I miss Daryll and his other brother Daryll. The cute site of Charles Jr. prancing about the sideline with a headset on will be cemented in my memory. I see someone put an end to that this season. Maybe they will allow it one more time during the Stanford game.
I hope when Charlie leaves he enjoys our money. Remember when you contribute to the University, know that the money is going into Charlies’ bank account.
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