Eric once broke one of their mother’s statues when the Loyal Sons were kids. He ran out of the room, leaving Sprout to take the blame. Accountability. Does anyone know what that means anymore?
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All Comments From This Episode (52 total)
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JerseyShoreNDFan on November 11th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Great show guys. I couldn’t agree more with what you said. F*@# Michigan.
Tim blake on November 11th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Charlie should have one more year. I resent the media making
a decision to fire him.Most of these bums on ESPN have never
coached.Two areas that make me mad about Charlie’s teams is
that his defenses have been weak,and he makes low % calls in the red zone like always going for the lob that requires
a perfect pass & really tough catch for a college player even if they are talented.Question? So many of Charlie’s players have long hair & beards is it lack of discipline that ND has so many penalties& are these players held accountable for stupid penalties.Why wasn’t Eric Olsen pulled for two? Are the refs from Big Ten& other conferences targeting ND to force into a conference & take away their one vote in the BCS?
Tom Cassidy on November 11th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Rule #1-When drinking mass amounts of alcohol for gameday in the city you go to Trinity Bar on Halsted. They have college deals and for both food and alcohol, and they have good food….and this happens 7 days a week.
There isn’t a rule #2 because you guys stated everything I’m feeling, and Sprout knows this per our conversation on email yesterday.
Rob on November 11th, 2009 at 9:58 am
My question(s) is where will the program be if Charlie is fired? Tenuta and Corwin will most likely leave. Not to mention Clausen and Tate to the NFL. Where do out 2010 recruits go? Where is the program now? Is this firing really worth this?
Gregg on November 11th, 2009 at 10:26 am
There is not a chance in hell Weis steps down. Obviusly, we aren’t privy to contract details, but nearly every contract out there provides that if the Coach quits, he doesn’t get paid. If he’s fired, that buyout keeps food on the Weises table for a couple weeks until he finds another job. If ND will “negotiate” the buy-out, maybe he’ll help the university save some face and resign, but it won’t happen without a little bit of straight cash.
@Gregg: I completely agree with you. The fallout from a straight-up Weis firing could really set the program back a step. It’s unfortunate that this is what it’s come to but I think that the mob/alumni/media are behind it enough that the axe is gonna fall. I could go for another year with Weis if it guaranteed Clausen and Tate would stay. But I’m more on the boat with A$%# Lawyer and think that a negotiated buy-out/resignation will be necessary for the university to save face and also salvage most of the program progress.
Whether or not this happens, however, is another story. Let the debate continue…
If anyone on here who calls themseleves a Notre Dame fan thinks Weis should be given one more year please go choke on something. He is a horrible coach, he coaches up or down to the competition thats why all our games are close. It doesn’t matter it we get a new D/C and the defense lets up 12 points a game. Weis will coach us into a loss thats “Charlie ball”. We don’t just need to fire Tenuta and Brown we need to get rid of all of them and if Swarbrick doesn’t do it at the end of the season he needs to go too.
Zach on November 11th, 2009 at 11:33 am
How Christian of you Zach.
He might not be the best coach in the world, but who is better/available? And more importantly who is worth throwing next year away since Jimmy and Golden will be gone, possibly Manti, and most of our 2010 recruits?
If we win the last 3 Charlie should stay. A 9-3 season was the benchmark by almost everyone going into 2009. We beat BC and Mich St., but lost a sloppy game to Navy. If we beat #8 Pitt on the road and a Very tough and talented Stanford on the road, with a home win against UConn in between, we’re 9-3, and moving upward!
Irish66ND on November 11th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
In reply to Tom Cassidy up above Charlie has had his second and third chances. The last time I think Weis fired anyone up was the speech he gave at his first press conference after being hired. He is not a head football coach at the College or NFL level. I don’t know if we can beat Pitt or Stanford on the road. We can’t even beat Navy at home!
It was clear Floyd was rusty even with 10 receptions and 141 yards. The drop at the end of the game and the INT off his back cost us the game. He clearly thought the play was a run since he was blocking so Clausen cannot be blamed for that.
Tenuta. . . Cover the option man and teach your players to tackle
Matt on November 11th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I almost forgot to Kmart. . . Jon Gruden, a native of South Bend and a proven head coach would fit in nicely at ND because of his passion to win.
Matt on November 11th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
How about Navy’s coach, Ken Niumatalolo, he has class, the ability to motivate, and a knowledge of the game, esp. ND’s.
Jim on November 11th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
nothing but the faxe ma’am! found that for the first time on my roadtrip to amsterdam.
If Clausen and Tate were guaranteed to be back with Weis, I’d say it’s worth having him around another year, even if we lose another game or two this year.
Of course, there’s no guarantee. A month and a half ago, 2010 looked NC-caliber. Now it might be a disaster.
My Dad took me to my first Notre Dame game in 1945 (Army in Yankee Stadium)and have had a passion for Notre Dame for 62 years.
I have lived through some great years and some not so great years, but I don’t think I have ever seen Notre Dame so inept at some of the very basic stuff (ie, blocking,tackleing,adjusting to what their opponents are doing,etc ).
Charlie Weis should be ashamed at what he has done to Notre Dame football. When I think of what so many Notre Dame men have done through the years and to allow this to guy to destroy everything Notre Dame football represented is criminal.
I have never been a “fire the coach” or “kill the quarterback” kind of guy, but Weis needs to be as far away from South Bend as soon as possible.
GO IRISH !!!
Gerry Hopper on November 11th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
To Greg and others….
Where will the program go? Where is it now… should be your question. Losing to teams with less talent…never beating team with more. Talking about accountability and never taking any yourself. Facts are facts and Coach Weis, for all his ND passion, just hasn’t been a good head coach. What would Coach Weis say about someone else that has his record at ND (read Weis facts article)?
Time to move on and quickly…18 year old kids will get excited by someone with promise coming in. They will stay away from a guy that is in the hotseat.
Chad on November 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
@A$%# Lawyer: It’s a pretty tough hypothetical, one that the video game fan in me wants to see happen for the stats alone. But it’d clearly be a BCS-win-or-bust for Charlie and Co. I think that many people will argue that the future of the program isn’t worth sticking with Charlie for another year just to ensure Clausen and Tate’s return but you’d also have to think that with the caliber of players and the schedule, 10+ wins and a BCS bowl aren’t out of the question. However this is what we were all saying four months ago so I understand the opposite side of the argument. And at what point do you call it and say enough is enough, 5 years should do it…
I’m pretty sure I just talked myself into keeping Charlie and firing him in the last 2 minutes. I’m glad I’m not Swarbrick this is tough, but if I was him I’d have contractual interest in the University.
If the decision comes to move on without Charlie the decision better happen already having a plan well in motion beforehand. Kelly being the next Rich Rod haunts my dreams.
@Chad: I think it’ll be a tossup with incoming kids whether they get excited about someone promising coming in or not. Hire Kelly and kids will wonder if he peaked too fast. Hire Stoops and kids will wonder if he’s on the downside of his career. Hire Gruden and they’ll wonder if he can prove himself at the College level. With each coaching option you can find a question mark on their resume, obviously it’s always a guessing game, but I think 18-year old kids are too easily swayed one way or the other. It’s definitely something that needs to be addressed when the decision time comes.
Unless we all want to accept mediocrity at Notre Dame, CHUCKLES needs to go! This should be the nail in the coffin, unfortunately it will not be…I do not have faith in the administration to make a correct coaching hire, however at this point I will accept a shot in the dark…..hopefully swarbrick shoots and hits something or someone, to coach this team back to relevance!
WE LOST TO NAVY, AGAIN! WHAT THE FU**!
Nick M. on November 11th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
@Matt – Jon Gruden? What exactly has he done at the college level? Or the pro level really? Besides win a Super Bowl with a Tony Dungy team? You want to bring in the coach who was fired from the 1-7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the worst team in the NFL?
Gruden was 22-26 over his last 3 seasons with that team. If anything he’s proven to be mediocre. You really see him hitting the recruiting trail? I see him hitting the golf course.
This is the problem when you continually spin the coaching carrousel. When you take a gamble on someone and lose it sets your program back years. We fired Davies, whiffed with O’Leary, were forced into Willingham, fired him to hire Urban Meyer, missed on Meyer, and were forced to gamble on Weis.
Does Charlie have his flaws? Absolutely. However, it’s fairly bold to just assume Gruden will be better.
Firing Charlie to bring in Gruden in hopes that his passion for winning will put us over the top seems like a fairly ridiculous gamble.
I agree that there will be + and – for anyone new hire. The thing that kills recruiting is a coach that might not be there when they get there. Other coaches/schools will use that by saying we have a stable program….we are going to be here.
I just do not see the facts that support Coach Weis succeeding. I feel that hope and optimism will keep and attract recruits. Not to mention improve the program over the long haul.
If Coach Weis stays, I will hope he succeeds. It is not about who the coach is…it is about the program and winning with integrity.
Chad on November 11th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
All i want to say is i’m glad Charlie is not my doctor. IF an inept individual were representing you at your murder trial, would you keep him if he did the same job that Charlie has done with ND Football. It’s easy to imagine those not in favor of firing Charlie, sitting in the TV room at the asylum drooling.
Ron on November 11th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Your top 10 was brutal. Clausen, Tate, Floyd are gods. The o-line has become very good. There’s 10 on the coaching staff that deserve to be under the bus.
Tom on November 11th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Chad – It’ a fact Charlie has not succeeded, period. Hoping he will will not make it happen. Getting someone who knows what they’re doing will make it happen. After all, we don’t expect to win every game, but we expect to be more than the door mat we are becomming. I expect ND to play with the passion that Navy played with. After all we have one of the best offenses in the country. Let’s get someone who can utilize the talent. While we’re at it, let’s keep the administration out of the selection process.
Ron on November 11th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Sarcasm Tom, sarcasm. Clearly those three make this team go. All we were doing is pointing out mistakes. Clausen himself put the blame on him today. Our point was just that everyone jumped on Weis for losing, and I agree that coaches are judged by wins and losses but he wasn’t the one who fumbled on the goal line. Perhaps throwing people under a “bus” was to drastic.
HaHa. All of you that think you know what is best for this team and University (bc they do go hand and hand) and are throwing Chuck under the bus now are complete jokes as fans. Quit listening to Mark May and the rest of the ESPN guys that “know it all” as you claim to do. There’s nobody better available (not even Urban!) And we could still go 9-3. Where are all the LOYAL Irish faithful at? The media wants this reaction from everyone. Doesn’t matter who our coach is. So quit pointing the finger and claiming to know what’s best bc the bottom line is you don’t know. You all sound like a bunch of babies. Cheer the Irish on and let’s hope to win out instead of planning on losing and getting rid of Chuck. Here Come the Irish!
Bobby on November 11th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Oh, and let’s not forget what Chuck inherited here thanks to Ty. Not that its an excuse but the program is much better off now than 5 years ago and if you don’t see that than you don’t know college football. Here Come the Irish! Beat Pitt
Bobby on November 11th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Please,enough with the Gruden stuff.
He will not be a molder of young men and his demeanor as a coach would not last well with kids of today.He would lose the team rather quickly.
Rich on November 12th, 2009 at 4:00 am
When Ara beat ND while coaching Northwestern…Father Joyce said enough of this and hired him. Now we will see if our new AD has the nads to do the same.
John O'Neal on November 12th, 2009 at 4:30 am
Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly, F&*@ Michigan, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly
K-zoo Ron on November 12th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Ron,
You obviously didn’t read my posts earlier on this thread. I am completely with you. My point is that I can not make the decision for Coach Weis to stay or go…I can only cheer ND and I am not going to cheer against them if Weis stays.
Chad on November 12th, 2009 at 7:24 am
After Urban wins his next NC, the admin will announce his deal to coach ND out of this hole. The signs that this is his job for the taking are compelling:
He has coached there before;
He is a proven winner time and time again;
He has turned 3 other programs around in a heartbeat;
He says and continues to say that ND is his dream job;
He is maxing out at what a State school can pay;
He is losing Tebow;
He is a devout Catholic who loves the school;
He can create his own legacy as one of the greats at ND;
His kids are now older;
The recruiting at ND has been turned around for him;
ND has more potential than UF at this point;
Coaching at ND is the premiere job in collegiate sports;
He is named after a Pope;
Weis currently makes more per year, etc.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal hasn’t already been locked down.
JerseyShoreNDFan on November 12th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Jersey Shore, all due respect, but at least half of that list is just insane..
How is being a proven winner time and time again a sign that he’ll coach Notre Dame?
How is turning around 3 other programs a sign that he’ll coach ND?
He also says and continues to say he won’t coach Notre Dame.
How does losing Tim Tebow mean he’ll coach Notre Dame? He won an NC without starting Tebow. ND is also probably losing Clausen.
How is the possibility of creating a legacy at ND a sign that he’d come here? That possibility is there for every coach. He already had that chance and he turned it down.
How is his children getting older a sign that Meyer will coach ND? Doesn’t his oldest daughter go to Georgia Tech? A heck of a lot closer to Gainesville than South Bend?
The recruiting at ND has been turned around for him? What? You think THAT’S why he didn’t come here? So that Weis could recruit for a few years?
ND has more potential than Florida? Uhh, no.
I’m not even going to address being named after a pope. If the rest of your list wasn’t so serious, I would be sure you were kidding.
And so on. Meyer is wishful thinking, bordering on delusional. HC for ND football simply is not the premiere job in college sports. Not anymore. That doesn’t mean that we cannot and should not have a great coach, but we don’t get to just cherrypick anyone we feel like because we’re Notre Dame.
@A$%#Lawyer
Alright, I’ll admit that the Pope comment was tongue in cheek but insane? That’s a little harsh, even for an A$%#. If ND is not the premiere job in college ball, then why does Weis earn MORE than Meyer currently? Cause he’s so good? My post is absolutely wishful thinking and I hope it isn’t delusional to want to see another NC for the Irish in my lifetime. I guess my real point is that ND has to get this right this time, particularly in the wake of O’Leary, Willingham and Weis. They need a difference maker….someone who can come in and mold this lump of clay into a winning, respected program. The Admin has to know that they can’t experiment with this one, that they need somebody who has proven ability. That is Meyer, the guy who has said his dream job is at ND (google it, he’s quoted on this as recently as Jan. ‘09). I think he passed over ND 5 yrs ago because he saw the paucity of recruiting by Willingham and probably knew the program was in for a couple of rough years. Basically, he is the only right hire for this job. As your brother in the Bar, I’ll graciously accept your apology after the press conf where he is named HC.
JerseyShoreNDFan on November 12th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Forget Urban Meyer. It takes someone special to be at ND. Urban wouldn’t be able to bring in half the guys that he has at Florida based on academics alone. I don’t want Meyer. I want Weis to succeed bc I’m an Irish fan and he’s our coach. He’s better than Ty and Davie so for those saying it couldn’t get any worse remember back when those schmucks were at the helm. Here Come the Irish!
Beat Mark May…I mean PITT
Bobby on November 12th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
What is all this garbage about being special to coach at ND. WE need someone that is plainly just COMPETENT. I personally would not have picked Davies, Willingham or Weis, but I do know that the U of M people in Michigan that I know are scared that Brian Kelly will coach at ND. They know want kind of programs he had here in the State of MIchigan.
Rooting for ND is something that every fan should do, but they are not heroes for rooting for the coach who cannot get the job done. I can’t believe some ND people are so lame as to worship mediocrity.
The administration has done something right and that is making multi millionaires out of people that should be asking “Fries with that order?”.
Ron on November 12th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Pitt will not be a close game. Either ND comes out on fire and we win easily or ND just does not show up at all and we get blown out. No way will it be something like 24-21. Either we win 38-7 or we lose 38-7. It will be obvious which way it is going half way through the first quarter.
Mike Rozman on November 12th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Yeah Ron. Bring Brian Kelly in and after 3 years you’ll be one of the people bitching to get him out. You think that just anyone can step in as ND coach? What a joke. I don’t accept average but Weis has improved the program from what it was.
Bobby on November 13th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Oh and I’m sure michigan fans are really shaking with thoughts of Kelly being head coach in South Bend. Nothing against Kelly, great coach, but great coach in Cinci isn’t the same as head coach at ND
Bobby on November 13th, 2009 at 8:43 am
@Rozman: I don’t think it necessarily will a blowout either way. I think we have proven that we can score points on great defenses (USC) and give up points to mediocre teams (MSU and UW). I won’t be surprised if it ends up being a close game. Now it certainly won’t be close if the team that played Navy shows up.
@Bobby: I’m not sold on B. Kelly. I think this year could have been disastrous for him when Pike went down but he was fortunate enough to have a player of Collaros’ caliber and metal to be able to step in and not miss a beat. Obviously you have to give Kelly the credit for Collaros being there and the play calling around him, but still it was pretty fortunate for Kelly to have a sophomore play out of his mind.
If Kelly gets a huge payday from ND, he needs to buy that kid something as soon as he’s done with the NCAA.
Bobbie – This Notre Dame program is not better with Weis. He had one good season (the first) and like Willingham has had progressively worse seasons after that. The 3-9 season should have been his last. Alway starts fast and ends slow. You think that this season was good? I’m not sure what games you’re watching, but I can tell already during the second quarter what kind of game it will end up.
I think Claussen is good but I don’t think he’ll make it in the pros. Most of his passes are airballs that luckily his all american receivers can get to.Most of the time he isn’t even looking where the receivers are. The def backs in the pros are not going to fall for that.
Sometimes when I’m reading these threads I think that some of the writer must have illusions or be airheads. Not being a ND graduate, I have to believe that they are more realistic about this team and what needs to be done for this program
Ron on November 13th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Am I to conclude that if someone is a competent coach at another school and has a consistent winning program, they could not coach at ND because they don’t have pixie dust on their hair. This fairy tale magic you keep talking about is nothing other than being competent at the position of coach. Look! Brian Kelly’s team is 10-0. What an incompetent coach. He’ll never make it at ND like Brennan, Faust, Davies, Willigham or Weis.
We now know that it takes more than talk and promises to be able to coach. One needs to deliver and that is something that has not been done in the last 3 years. We wanted to believe that all that talk was reality and we learned it wasn’t.
We now have our team running onto the field prior to the game followed by the Pillsbury Dough Boy. No wait. When the players take off their helmets, they’re all Dough Boys.
One thing I do miss this season is Charlie Jr. at the side of his Dad helping coach the team. I wasn’t aware that Charlie Jr. was hired by the University. Then what the h-ll is he doing on the field??????????
Ron on November 13th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Question….Was Northwestern a powerhouse when Ara was hired away from them? This ND mystic is a load of crap. The Ghosts have let the Stadium. Get a F’ing coach in here that can relate to the kids. An overweight coney dog eating, snot running down his upper lip guy that never played the game simply can not relate. There are plenty of athletes on this team but the staff can’t seem to figure out how to use them. Clean house NOW.
John on November 14th, 2009 at 4:22 am
I used to watch Willie Mays and in his later years when he should have walked away from the game, he didn’t. This is what Charlie Weis is looking like. Sad to watch him having having to grovel explaining the losses.
This is a sad time for ND and all their fans, not just loosing football games, but their pride and their reputation at the same time. And yet no word from the administration that a new dawn will start today.
Admit that a monumental mistake was made hiring this coach and move on to a new day and revive the hope. This team could win the national championship with someone who we can honestly call “Coach”.
I’m not an ND grad, my wife and son are, so I can get back to rooting for DePaul on the gridiron.
Ron on November 15th, 2009 at 5:35 am
From today’s Chicago Sun-Times…
“If athletic director Jack Swarbrick decides Weis’ Notre Dame career is over after his fifth season, a source said Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will be in the mix to replace him. The source said Stoops has told confidants he would be interested in talking to the Irish.”
Pony up Jack…Bring Mr. Stoops to South Bend!
Tim blake on November 15th, 2009 at 8:44 am
@Ron – How can you call hiring Weis a “monumental mistake”? The premature extention was a huge mistake, but calling Weis’s hiring a monumental mistake is a bit overkill.
I’d say hiring Willingham, Davies, O’Leary – all monumental mistakes. Weis not so much. If anything Charlie at least deserves some credit for delivering star-studded recruiting classes and disproving the tired argument that ND can no longer recruit top-tier talent due to academic limitations.
Weis has shown he is capable of landing top recruits and playing bowl-worthy football. He’s not a disaster, he’s just not Urban Meyer or Pete Carroll.
I agree Charlie’s likely a goner, especially cause this team won’t win at Stanford, but let’s not kick the man when he’s down. He did good things for this program. He just wasn’t the right man for the job.
K-mart Here is my opinion. After Willingham, we all wanted a coach who could lead us to the promise land. I honestly thought they would hire Clements and I thought someone with ND roots should be hired. The admin and most ND fans bought into the bravado of Weis and believed it because he told us what we wanted to hear. NJ tough means what? Is that like Scotts 1000 foot roll of toilet paper? 4 super bowl rings, from a pedigree program, but a pomposs windbag. He never played football or any sport who becomes head coach? His football history makes him not a good hire as our Ara P states. He sucked up to the Tuna who opened doors for him. In short he was a babysitter for QB’s. However, he did bring cumba ya to ND.
We’re fairly smart and we should have seen through the BS. I could have had 4 super bowl rings with Brady and New England. His contract was not renewed by Belechek before we hired him. The first year was good because he ran into a sleeper named Zmarrza. Year 2 through now have been worse and worse but we all blamed it on lack of prior recruiting. Talent was not the answer, coaching was and Weis was and is not now a good coach. He should have been fired during year 3, but we allowed him any number of excuses because next year was going to be different with the national championship on the line. We who believed are now National Chumpiones.
Ron on November 16th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
I don’t even want to watch the UCONN game. Our “D” has been letting freshmen QB’s look good all year, just imagine what Zach Frazier will be able to do with a little bit of a chip on his shoulder. We go down this week, we’re in the tank for Stanford, we finish 6-6 on the year and then we’ll be praying all these commits don’t jump ship for sunnier (and more victorious) climates. Oy vey its tough being Irish.
JerseyShoreNDFan on November 16th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
I’m old enough to remember the Kuharich years which were, without question, the worst years in the programs history. At least Weis will be leaving the shelves better stocked than his predecessor and for that we can be thankful.
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